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REVOGEL LifeTime Member
Age: 84 Zodiac: Joined: 23 Dec 2006 Posts: 4276 Location: Cent. Amelias. Reg 10. Guyana South America
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Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 8:25 Post subject: |
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Citroens and their stable mates Pergeot [I can never spell it ] that I have owned have had them. |
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Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 8:25 Post subject: Google Ads keep the POCUK free to join! |
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El Ricko ********
Joined: 12 May 2008 Posts: 5453 Location: UK
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Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 10:03 Post subject: |
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my concern would be risking a restriction in oil flow when something gets trapped in the magnet filter.
I have always prefered a magnetic sump plug |
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assassin ********
Age: 64 Zodiac: Joined: 29 Jul 2009 Posts: 5077 Location: Wherever I Wander To -- Midlands
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Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 19:20 Post subject: |
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Oil filters are actually 3-5 microns these days as all the paper is made in two or three countries, then shipped out to OE and aftermarket manufacturers.
The purpose of oil is to suspend small particles as well as lubricate, the oil pump is large enough to cope with them and they are filtered out in the oil filter. Particles which enter through the return hoses, or internal engine drain channels are the only ones which should be in the sump unless there is a problem with the engine.
I; from experience, prefer the in sump types as these remove many before they are pumped through the engine, this preserves the oil filter and prolongs its life, it also helps the oil pump by reducing any larger particles. |
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dragn ***
Age: 62 Zodiac: Joined: 24 Jun 2009 Posts: 211 Location: Liverpool
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Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 21:35 Post subject: |
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mag drain plugs in sump gearbox & diff are common still in most heavy trucks today
change the oil & filter often use decent oil is the best thing you can do foryour engine replacing diff & gear oils every year also aint no bad policy ! mg on filter wont do any harm although as has been said you wont know whats in the re unless you disect the filter (messy)! |
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GB1978 **
Age: 45 Zodiac: Joined: 10 Aug 2010 Posts: 73 Location: MERSEYSIDE
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Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 16:02 Post subject: |
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just get a big powerful magnet and stick it to the sump near the drain plug.
any debris in the oil will stay at the bottom of the sump out of harms way |
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NYRA LifeTime Member
Age: 57 Zodiac: Joined: 04 Dec 2009 Posts: 3675 Location: bed and work
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Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 16:58 Post subject: |
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geordie_boy1978 wrote: |
just get a big powerful magnet and stick it to the sump near the drain plug.
any debris in the oil will stay at the bottom of the sump out of harms way |
i like that one good one that (magnet ) |
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Hugh Michael ****
Joined: 15 Mar 2005 Posts: 350 Location: Pembroke Dock, West Wales
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Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 18:41 Post subject: |
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Yes, Mimauk remembers more than he thinks! The old Minis used to have them, an inch long cylinder magnet in the drain plug. I remember draining the oil from one once and stuck to it was a semicircular crankshaft thrust bearing. The chap who owned the car was prone to a lot of bad luck and complained that the clutch had a clunk to it when depressed....that was the reason. He loved his mini though and thought it was one of the quietest cars he had ever owned. He changed his mind after driving back from the doctors having had his ears syringed. |
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Joined: 01 Dec 2010 Posts: 27 Location: Scotland
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Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 17:29 Post subject: |
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minesapasty wrote: |
Helicopters have magnetic plugs strategically positioned in their gearboxes for the same reason........ they pick up any particles, and will warn the pilot, giving several valuable minutes to get the helicopter onto the ground before a possible gearbox failure.
The engines tend to be made of aluminium and other non ferrous metals, so magnets aren't a lot of use on them.
Part of the regular servicing carried out on helicopter gearboxes is/was to remove the plugs and check for debris collected on the tips, giving a sign of wear related issues and imminent problems. Sea Kings are still flying, so I wouldn't think that the process has changed in the 20+ years since I was last climbing around helping the grubbers (mechanical engineers) when they were in need of an extra pair of hands.
I also remember having a car with a magnetic "drain plug", but can't remember which car it was now |
Not wrong. Scaryest thing in the world is getting a chip warning light in a single engine helicopter, at night, over open water. Think bringing a Bell 206 back from Ireland to Scotland...it all ended well though. If expensively for the new owner
With the magnets, I have a small nylon strap wit hmagnets impregnated into it that I bought for about £5 some years ago, that I fit around all my spin on/off oil filters. When you cut the filter open after a change, you always find filings caught onto the tin by it. |
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idratherbesurfing LifeTime Member
Age: 39 Zodiac: Joined: 27 Mar 2008 Posts: 3807 Location: France/Belgium/Holland/Switzerland and sometimes Italy
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Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 13:58 Post subject: |
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paj's have magnetic drain plugs anyway... well mine did |
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REVOGEL LifeTime Member
Age: 84 Zodiac: Joined: 23 Dec 2006 Posts: 4276 Location: Cent. Amelias. Reg 10. Guyana South America
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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 19:25 Post subject: |
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Most Austin/Moris and for a shot time BMC upto app 65 had them my 65 mini [only car ever from new] had one I think. |
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Alan Newton Newbie
Age: 59 Zodiac: Joined: 18 Jun 2014 Posts: 2 Location: Thornton Fife
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Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 0:40 Post subject: |
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I stuck a magnet on the fuel tank drain plug.. or close to, just to catch any rusty bits from a damaged fuel filler pipe (fixed now) but left the magnet there !! |
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hutchy ********
Age: 51 Zodiac: Joined: 03 May 2004 Posts: 5010 Location: somewhere on earth
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Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 2:21 Post subject: |
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a lot of the kia,s and hyundai,s have magnetic plugs now....years ago you could buy a gizmo that went on the oil filter that had magnets in it...i just thought it was a blag to make money from people daft enough to fit them,but they sell them for fuel lines now apparantley saves fuel god now,s how i could do with the whole line being full of magnets |
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Rob546454 ******
Age: 33 Zodiac: Joined: 29 Nov 2012 Posts: 1111 Location: West Yorkshire
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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2014 2:18 Post subject: |
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Quite a good idea to be fair. Always liked to use magnetic drain plugs but they are only small. Its easier to remove them too as you don't find yourself dropping them into the oil tray. |
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Age: 50 Zodiac: Joined: 26 Jan 2015 Posts: 15 Location: Wiltshire
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Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 13:49 Post subject: |
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I have magnetic sump plugs on my type r..one on box one on engine . |
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Rob546454 ******
Age: 33 Zodiac: Joined: 29 Nov 2012 Posts: 1111 Location: West Yorkshire
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Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 14:18 Post subject: |
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This thread has reminded me of am engineering shortfall that I am trying to resolve so attention if I may.
I rebuilding a 2.8 4m40. The reason for the rebuild is that while offroading the vehicle entered a steep decline, causing oil starvation. Resulting in some rather worn big end shells.
Look at the design; how the sump overhangs the crankcase into the timing case. The timing case is quite a void, at a guess I would say you could loose at least 2 litres of oil in there.
So when the engine was on the incline, the oil drained from the sump and flooded the timing case. Not so bad for the timing gear but bad for the rest of the engine when the pickup pipe no longer contacts the oil.
I am looking for a solution, as is someone else. The mention of helicopters prompted this, as no doubt the aviation industry has a simple solution for this, as opposed to something like a dry sump which is a bit unnecessary. |
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