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Junc *****
Age: 55 Zodiac: Joined: 27 Aug 2013 Posts: 671 Location: Derbyshire
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Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 16:58 Post subject: Bio diesel ? |
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What is bio diesel?
Sorry the dump question, but it never looked into it.
Is it also suitable for my pajero?
I use veg oil but kept away from bio diesel.
It's a 1992 2,5 td turbo diesel
4m40 engine if I remember rightly at the moment.
Been offerd bio diesel for less then pump prices. That's while I ask.
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rich r ********
Age: 50 Zodiac: Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Posts: 5332 Location: Selby, North Yorkshire
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Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 17:12 Post subject: |
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Strictly speaking, biodiesel is any fuel that can be burnt in a diesel engine that is made (at least in part) from plant material. So SVO can be classed as biodiesel if it's used in a vehicle. Similarly waste veg oil that's been filtered and dewatered is a biodiesel.
The more common usage of the word biodiesel relates to vegetable and other oils that have been processed to produce a fuel that has properties very similar to the diesel that is made from crude oil. Generally pump diesel contains a proportion of this anyway. It's considered safe to use in most diesel engines.
Your 2.5 (which is 4D56 by the way. 4M40 is the 2.8) is happy to run on biodiesel, mineral diesel, SVO, processed WVO, and if you lived somewhere warmer, coconut oil |
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Junc *****
Age: 55 Zodiac: Joined: 27 Aug 2013 Posts: 671 Location: Derbyshire
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Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 19:22 Post subject: |
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Great. Thanks.
Yes I said I guess. Ha ha.
Didn't write it down when I looked so just guest.
So I ask him how much he actually want per litre.
Is only around my corner. |
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Stingrey Newbie
Age: 43 Zodiac: Joined: 17 Jul 2015 Posts: 6 Location: WIRRAL
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Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 22:25 Post subject: |
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Biodiesel is an alternative form of fuel to mineral diesel. It is made through a process called 'transesterfication' of vegetable oils and animal fats. This process chemically alters the properties of the feedstock to produce a less viscous, cleaner burning monoalkylester called 'biodiesel'. The most common form is a base catalysed reaction of methanol and waste cooking oils to form a product called FAME.
I have over ten years of experience in this field and have consistently manufactured fuel that exceeds EN14214. I will never used or purchase pump DERV again. |
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assassin ********
Age: 64 Zodiac: Joined: 29 Jul 2009 Posts: 5077 Location: Wherever I Wander To -- Midlands
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Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2015 1:42 Post subject: |
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I have over 30 years of working with it and run a mix of 50 0 50 with road diesel.
One problem you get with pure bio is lack of lubricity, damage to many seals and O rings, and it gets particularly thick in winter. |
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Stingrey Newbie
Age: 43 Zodiac: Joined: 17 Jul 2015 Posts: 6 Location: WIRRAL
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Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2015 18:09 Post subject: |
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I beg to differ.
Since the removal of Sulfur from today's fuel the petro-chemical industry has been forced, not only due to environmental constraints but also due to the necessity to reinstate lubrication properties back into their fuels. This is where biodiesel comes in. In the main 5% is common place on most forecourts but in some instances 7% is now being seen. Whilst studies have proven that over and above 2% bio inclusion doesn't increase the lubrication properties of the fuel it certainly doesn't cause adverse effects.
Older rubber seals do perish from the use of Biodiesel but in the main the unconverted WVO is the real hinderance. However, more and more manufacturers are fitting Viton seals which resist chemical attack as the manufacturers now appreciate that it's only a matter of time until greater pressures are felt for higher concentrations of Bio to be introduced to fuels.
Any diesel engine will run on well made Biodiesel. However, quality control is limited in the back street garage/shed, where the quality of fuel is difficult to establish.
I run B100 all year round and have not had any issues in over 10 years. When it's excessively cold I use additives to reduce the gelling point of my Biodiesel. |
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assassin ********
Age: 64 Zodiac: Joined: 29 Jul 2009 Posts: 5077 Location: Wherever I Wander To -- Midlands
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2015 3:57 Post subject: |
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You beg to differ, then agree with my points???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? |
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assassin ********
Age: 64 Zodiac: Joined: 29 Jul 2009 Posts: 5077 Location: Wherever I Wander To -- Midlands
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2015 3:59 Post subject: |
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The actual figure for bio element in road diesel currently stands at an average of 2,98837% bio content across all fuel retailers in the UK, figures taken 20/07/2015. |
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mick_n3 LifeTime Member
Age: 62 Zodiac: Joined: 27 Feb 2009 Posts: 203 Location: kettering
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2015 16:14 Post subject: |
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Stingrey wrote: |
Any diesel engine will run on well made Biodiesel. However, quality control is limited in the back street garage/shed, where the quality of fuel is difficult to establish.
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Not according to VW Group I've just got a brand new Leon 2.0ltr 184ps diesel, and in big letters by the fuel filler is NO BIO FUEL |
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Stingrey Newbie
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Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 7:56 Post subject: |
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mick_n3 wrote: |
Stingrey wrote: |
Any diesel engine will run on well made Biodiesel. However, quality control is limited in the back street garage/shed, where the quality of fuel is difficult to establish.
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Not according to VW Group I've just got a brand new Leon 2.0ltr 184ps diesel, and in big letters by the fuel filler is NO BIO FUEL |
That doesn't mean the engine will not run on Biodiesel it's purely manufacturers protecting both themselves and owners from poor quality fuel.
I know of a number of new cars running on B100 and they have been for some time without issue.
2013 Audi A6
2014 Touareg
2014 BMW 1-series
2014 Range Rover Evoke
+ Many more older vehicles
All of which are close friends and swear by the stuff. |
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assassin ********
Age: 64 Zodiac: Joined: 29 Jul 2009 Posts: 5077 Location: Wherever I Wander To -- Midlands
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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 17:43 Post subject: |
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Many new vehicles since 2013 have been designed to run on B100 and these are the new engines.
Many older engines carried over, or those updated will not run on B100 and you have to the manufacturer to see what they will run on.
One prime example is the same engine in different manufacturers vehicles, Peugeot and Citroen, one manufacturer says 30% bio maximum while the other says 50% maximum bio element, yet they are both exactly the same engine. |
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jenjenoz **
Age: 71 Zodiac: Joined: 09 Jun 2018 Posts: 87 Location: LEEDS
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Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 14:42 Post subject: veg oil |
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Hi,is it safe to use veg oil in a mk3 3.2 did?.Tia. |
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Simon_W *******
Joined: 21 May 2013 Posts: 4881 Location: Watford
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Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 21:11 Post subject: Re: veg oil |
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jenjenoz wrote: |
Hi,is it safe to use veg oil in a mk3 3.2 did?.Tia. |
No it isn't. It will ruin the injection pump. |
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jenjenoz **
Age: 71 Zodiac: Joined: 09 Jun 2018 Posts: 87 Location: LEEDS
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Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 22:01 Post subject: |
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Ok,thanks for that. |
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jenjenoz **
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Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 15:06 Post subject: |
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Ok,thanks for that. |
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