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[Navie999]

Hi guys,

I've got a 2004 3.2 diesel shogun LWB. I bought it recently off a chap that had the engine rebuilt not to long ago.

It was driving fine, until recently it started misfiring and letting out white smoke (smells of diesel). Both are constant
and regardless of hot or cold.

The mechanic suspected injector issue so I bought one and he checked all one by one, but issue is still there. He now thinks
it may be the diesel pump. However these are around £500+ so before I go out and buy one I was hoping
someone with more knowledge could give me some advice on what it could be.

No engine management light is on, had a new turbo not too long ago aswel.

Any advice is more than welcome.

Appreciate your time guys.

Thanks

[Google]

[eddyx11]

Put a clear, in-line filter, between the original filter and the pump to check for air ingress.
Watch it for bubbles with the engine running.
Cheap things first!

[jimmybond]

The white smoke is usually duff tcv.
its always 1100 plus vat to fix.
does the light come on when key on.
the engine lkght that is.
then should go out when engine starts.
does tjis always smoke or just random.

1st you wanna do a compression test incase gasket blown through.
seen this alot, people like to be tight and buy cheap.
it never pays to be tight.

[Simon_W]

[Navie999]

Thanks guys.

Basically everything was fine until the turbo went. I replaced the turbo, however the smoke and misfire started.

I will get my mechanic to do compression test etc

[jimmybond]

Simon im saying he should check for head gasket problem just incase its that.
he said engine was rebuilt.
simon ive had so many engine rebuilt jobs in.
some people wont even pay for a head skim or a head gasket when a rebuilt engine really wants both.

ive lost count on how many transits ive had in where garages have said its a duff fuel pump.
nope often its either broken rocker valve gear or head gasket blown through to next cylinder.
it makes all sorts of smoke and misses etc.

dont want to see this guy go down a pump route until hes eliminated the head gasket.

[Simon_W]

Understood Jimmy. It's good sense to make sure that you know what's failed before replacing expensive components.  It was only your assertion about 'tightness' that I was commenting on.  

[jimmybond]

Lol simon.
i see tightness all the time lol.
im going through it at the mo with a regular customer.
he owns a large fleet of vans.
got a transit with 190,000 miles.
rough 3rd gear
Christmas I looked at it for him.
had a insurance job in, van was written off with 29,000 miles on clock.
I quoted him £400 plus vat to have his box switched, clutch be extra.
well I not heard anymore until thursday.
turns out this guy had a mobile fitter in, he replaced just the clutch pmsl as said thats why 3rd is crunching and hard to select.
changed clutch no joy, gearbox out, came to me begging for the box.i
I said 200 to help him out but he needs to remove it.
this guy half fitted it then went on holiday.
noone ever seen him since.
another mobile fitter camd along he now saying he finished it but expansion bottle is empty, puts antifreeze in and its gone.
so I asked this guy if its not leaking remove sump plug.
yep all antifreeze in there.
the owner wanted me to come and do it but im flat out.
it got took to another garage and they cant see what's wrong with it.
they want to buy my engine.
my wife said to this guy you know jimmy, thats me nick name lol, only quoted you 400 all in.
he said yeah I know, so far ive blown over a grand and van been apart since January.
He reckons mobile guy said injectors were blown.
yet it drove there lol.
I had to explain this guy yes this other garage can fit engine but id need it for 2 hours to code injectors and program pump to run on your ecu.
the other garage having a melt down.
he calls me.
I asked him are you running ford ids.
he said yes so I said you be fine then.
lastnight, owner of van calls, this guy now wont change engine.
I explained to the guy, im doing alot of steel work in Cambridge plus a guy is hounding me to re ring his drier.
its 20 ton rotary drier with a 3m pcd ring by 150 x 50mm
im gonna be there yonks.
After that im yours lol.

simon I always see this.
being tight always costs more in the long run.
I must see an example of this atleast once a week.

[Simon_W]

Jimmy, I totally understand that it's often a false economy to fit cheap parts/take shortcuts. But sometimes it can be difficult to spend more than it appears that you need to, particularly if you're on a tight budget.

What's shocked me is how often you find things bodged by 'professional' mechanics. Or just not done at all.  I was doing some work my Merc last week and removed a front wheel. When I came to put it back on, I realised the brake disk was spinning without the wheel studs in place. Somebody had sheared the machine screw and not bothered to drill it out, retap the hole, and fit a new one. So a wheel change in the dark would have been almost impossible as the studs only go in when everything is aligned.  

[jimmybond]

Oh simon I feel your pain.
honestly I dont think during the week days I dont go a day without this problem.
the best one is the new renault masters, from 2013 they changed there rear discs.
something is different.
when you order them you must note is securing hole in centre to studs or close to one stud.
they both fit each other so car part people sells them.
I know theres a reason why they done this.
something must be different.
It pees the hell out of me as like you said,  dont line up.
I put a podger bar in.
them screws are good and handy for the customer.
but I guess customer dont understand its there for them.
in all honesty simon I prefer the pointer type ones.
there a hole in your wheel and pointer secures disc to hub aswell as a alignment pin to fit wheel easy.

[Simon_W]

I think we've hijacked this thread Jimmy!
Well, I've learnt something yet again. The word 'podger' has been added to my lexicon. I'd never heard of a podger before, but now I know.

[jimmybond]

Lol.
When ever I get sawdust burner job or fitting a auger to a frame I always get help from that area im working in.
I prefer it to be the users so they get free knowledge whivh should help in turn with the maintenance.
When I give them a podger to help pull the rolled angle in line with the other there fine.
But later on when I ask you got your podger there like wtf is that.
the spanner 1 end with the pointey bit the other end.
they just look at me and say ah that.
in my game simon you be amazed how much I use 1.

best give there post back.
sorry guys.

[jimmybond]

Oh 5h1t navie I just noticed your post.
sorry, me n simon got carried away.

ok this is not what you want to hear.
I didnt know your turbo went.
Unfortunately a turbo often destroys a engine.
the oil cant get compressed.
you now got bent conrod or rods.
thats why its white smoking and missing.
even your crank will be bent, block stretched.
Unfortunately its best to get another engine or short engine.
I come across this atleast once a fortnight.
I think ive just written off a 2008 v6 diesel jag for this same problem
it wiped out big end and bent rod.
I said to the guy its about £2300 to 3000 if it needs a short engine.
it still sits at workshop waiting for a answer

[trekker]

Hi navie. What caused you to replace the turbo ?  Was the engine belching blue smoke on the old turbo ?  Did you buy a new or rebuilt turbo ?

Have you tested compression yet. ?

[Navie999]

Interesting story there mate lol

Right, I've had the injectors checked, and the chap said the pressure was low however he wasn't sure the problem would be cured if he brought the pressure back up to what it should be. So I am buying 4 new injectors next week to see how I get on.

The smoke isn't that bad to be honest, the misfire is though. Still drives well, just kinda 'chug chug chug' at idle.

I bought the car with the turbo gone, and replaced it with a second hand, but good unit. The previous owner was an elderly gentleman who said the turbo 'popped' at 70mph, but the engine didn't over rev and was switched off straight away.

Bloody headache!!