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pistoltpete ***
Age: 41 Zodiac: Joined: 28 May 2015 Posts: 131 Location: Kent
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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 22:55 Post subject: How much better is the 3.2? |
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OK.
So after the demise of the pajero 2.8 I was going to replace the head.
But my wife has given me 5k to get something new..
Now I tow 1800kg my old 2.8 always slowed right down up hill and would warm up which apparently they do.
We had a 3.5 a while ago that was a brilliant tow car.
The 3.2? How does that do. Would I expect to see that Warm up? Slow down on hill?
Am I best going v6?
Reliable? Look at two 2006 cars less than 100k with good history.
How are they towing? Better on fuel? And like said compared to my old 2.8
Which is a better long distance regular tow car 3.5did or 3.5v6?
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hutchy ********
Age: 51 Zodiac: Joined: 03 May 2004 Posts: 5010 Location: somewhere on earth
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 6:22 Post subject: |
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3.2,s have fuel pump issues which are damn expensive as people reckon they have to be rebuilt and only specialists companies can only do this as they have to go on some sort of test rig,and given i have seen them advertised for 1200 up over it,s a lot of money,why they are known to fail no one really knows everyone has said it,s down to the fuel filler pipes rusting away to the water traps in the filters not working or rust inside the tank caused by condensation or water in the diesel..who knows but as most have ended up being broke due to the pumps it is something you need to research on..as for the same shape 3.5,s most of them are gdi,s and they are high maintenance from micro filters in the high pressure pump to oil pumps failing because people don,t change the oil regular to excessive carbon build up leading to performance and idle issue,s can only run on the highest grade fuel going not cheap rubbish from the supermarkets...the only ones i have heard that do not suffer issues are the 3.0 litre pajero imports but they are rare and are a bit pricey...so i would spend a few hr,s each day on google or which ever search engine you use,and do loads of research....i am not saying they are all bad but when spending a decent amount of cash you need to make sure...and it,s not just Mitsubishi that suffer it seems all motors built from around 2000 onwards are just made to be a throw away item and all have costly things that go wrong from fuel pumps weak timing chains dual mas flywheels concentric slave cylinders the list is endless thats why my mate stopped buying cars built after 2000 and went for a 2.8 pajero yes he has spent money on it,but it was a dog when he got it,now he runs around all over the country in it and said he won,t buy anything else...
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peteinchad LifeTime Member
Joined: 07 Jan 2013 Posts: 15079 Location: UK
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:11 Post subject: |
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As Hutchy said.
I could not live with the worry of a 3.2 fuel pump breaking - so I have a 2.8 which is cheaper to repair.
I am sure that many 3.2s run for many years with no problems at all - but there is always the chance of a £2000+ bill for the pump to be repaired.
There is also the modern problem of loads of electronics - have a look through the 3.2 section on here to see the problems people have with them.
As said above - other makes have problems as well, my son's Land Cruser needed a pump replacement recently. |
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pistoltpete ***
Age: 41 Zodiac: Joined: 28 May 2015 Posts: 131 Location: Kent
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 10:54 Post subject: |
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I think everything has problems!! Doesn't matter what car it is ;( reading it's hard to find anything modern ish without issues..
At the mo is 3.5v6, 3.2, grand cherokee v6d, x5
It's pick of a bunch really |
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corollawrc *
Age: 36 Zodiac: Joined: 14 Jul 2016 Posts: 11 Location: Prague
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 17:27 Post subject: |
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I have now for more then 2 years a 3.2 and i'am quite happy over it!
But also i must replace my fuel pump and fuller pipes last year.
But further i'm really happy from the 3.2. I think it's a strong and reliable engine.
Unfortunately i don't have that much experience with towing yet but without trailer and normal driving style here in the hills, i make 10l/100km what is not so bad. So i expect 14-15l/100km when towing. |
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pistoltpete ***
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 21:30 Post subject: |
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Thabks
I have found one the fuel pumps already been done |
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NJV6 ******
Age: 102 Zodiac: Joined: 20 Feb 2008 Posts: 1355 Location: New Zealand
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Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 10:09 Post subject: |
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If you find one that the pump has been done then jump on it. The 3.2 is a brilliant engine, a bit rough round the edges and noisy but strong powerful and economical.
The pump doesn't fail from rusty filler pipes. It happens to plenty of gen 3's in non rusty areas such as oz and NZ as well. generally accepted that there is a bearing inside that fails.
The 3.2 is an amazing tow machine and will rung rings around the V6. I have a 200hp 3.5 V6 Pajero and a 197hp 3.2 Did Pajero and the Diesel is light years ahead in terms of grunt, unless you wring the V6's neck which does not make for relaxed driving, nor economical. |
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assassin ********
Age: 64 Zodiac: Joined: 29 Jul 2009 Posts: 5077 Location: Wherever I Wander To -- Midlands
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:05 Post subject: |
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Much better tow vehicles but you do need to look under the o/s rear arch and locate the large plastic cover, under there is the fuel filler and tank breathers, check them for condition as this is not an unusual issue where these pipes trap dirt, rot, and this drops into the tank and trashes the fuel pump.
If the large filler pipe is in good condition you clean and paint it, and the smaller pipes can be formed from 15mm copper heating pipe and copper brake pipe as they go into rubber pipes at the tank end; or you could go mad and replace them with stainless steel pipe as I did as we had some nice offcuts lying around at work.
If you choose this option then mount them using plastic or other insulating material to prevent electrolytic reaction between the steel and copper/stainless replacement pipes.
Run the vehicle low on fuel and drain the tank, flush out and remove any debris through the tank drain bung for additional security. |
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geodrome *******
Age: 56 Zodiac: Joined: 22 Nov 2008 Posts: 3357 Location: On the beach, surfin? Down under, NSW!
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:58 Post subject: |
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NJV6 wrote: |
If you find one that the pump has been done then jump on it. The 3.2 is a brilliant engine, a bit rough round the edges and noisy but strong powerful and economical.
The pump doesn't fail from rusty filler pipes. It happens to plenty of gen 3's in non rusty areas such as oz and NZ as well. generally accepted that there is a bearing inside that fails.
The 3.2 is an amazing tow machine and will rung rings around the V6. I have a 200hp 3.5 V6 Pajero and a 197hp 3.2 Did Pajero and the Diesel is light years ahead in terms of grunt, unless you wring the V6's neck which does not make for relaxed driving, nor economical. |
It’s moisture that causes the failures. Failed filler pipes are one of the reasons. Don’t forget that a lot of vehicles in Australia are driven on beaches and through salt water. |
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pistoltpete ***
Age: 41 Zodiac: Joined: 28 May 2015 Posts: 131 Location: Kent
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 13:12 Post subject: |
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Thanks guys
Great info!!
I'm pretty set in a 3.2 now.. I'll report back on how I get one.
I'd like an 04 -06 (don't mind higher tax as wife get disabled tax rebate)with heated leather cruise, sat Nav cos I like the screen but not that bothered
What's sort of mileage should I be looking at.. Got 5 k to send so should get a good one!! |
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peteinchad LifeTime Member
Joined: 07 Jan 2013 Posts: 15079 Location: UK
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 13:17 Post subject: |
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Just keep £2000 in reserve - just in case the pump breaks !!! |
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assassin ********
Age: 64 Zodiac: Joined: 29 Jul 2009 Posts: 5077 Location: Wherever I Wander To -- Midlands
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 3:36 Post subject: |
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NJV6 wrote: |
If you find one that the pump has been done then jump on it. The 3.2 is a brilliant engine, a bit rough round the edges and noisy but strong powerful and economical.
The pump doesn't fail from rusty filler pipes. It happens to plenty of gen 3's in non rusty areas such as oz and NZ as well. generally accepted that there is a bearing inside that fails.
The 3.2 is an amazing tow machine and will rung rings around the V6. I have a 200hp 3.5 V6 Pajero and a 197hp 3.2 Did Pajero and the Diesel is light years ahead in terms of grunt, unless you wring the V6's neck which does not make for relaxed driving, nor economical. |
This is misleading as the bearing failure is attributed to rusty filler pipes which let in water when they let go, and getting fine particles inside the pump which are fine enough to go through the filter which gives a heady mix which no vehicle can cope with.
In areas such as Aus and NZ they have a lot of more remote filling stations which have older tanks made from steel which rust and they have low turn over of fuel which allows all manner of silts and water through condensation to get into them and if they are low on fuel you are pumping in a mixture of rust, silts, and water along with your diesel and many will not pay to have their storage tanks cleaned or even replaced; this is why a lot of these boys use pre filtration systems to better filter their fuels. |
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NJV6 ******
Age: 102 Zodiac: Joined: 20 Feb 2008 Posts: 1355 Location: New Zealand
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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:04 Post subject: |
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assassin wrote: |
NJV6 wrote: |
The pump doesn't fail from rusty filler pipes. It happens to plenty of gen 3's in non rusty areas such as oz and NZ as well. generally accepted that there is a bearing inside that fails.
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This is misleading as the bearing failure is attributed to rusty filler pipes which let in water when they let go, and getting fine particles inside the pump which are fine enough to go through the filter which gives a heady mix which no vehicle can cope with.
In areas such as Aus and NZ they have a lot of more remote filling stations which have older tanks made from steel which rust and they have low turn over of fuel which allows all manner of silts and water through condensation to get into them and if they are low on fuel you are pumping in a mixture of rust, silts, and water along with your diesel and many will not pay to have their storage tanks cleaned or even replaced; this is why a lot of these boys use pre filtration systems to better filter their fuels. |
We might just have to disagree on that one. In Australia its well documented that bearing failure causes the metal filings and I base my comment on that. I am not aiming to mislead.
I do agree on the state of some bulk tanks and sediment however these failures are occuring on vehicles that have had city life and outback life with secondary 3 mircon filters fitted. |
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assassin ********
Age: 64 Zodiac: Joined: 29 Jul 2009 Posts: 5077 Location: Wherever I Wander To -- Midlands
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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:34 Post subject: |
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NJV6 wrote: |
assassin wrote: |
NJV6 wrote: |
The pump doesn't fail from rusty filler pipes. It happens to plenty of gen 3's in non rusty areas such as oz and NZ as well. generally accepted that there is a bearing inside that fails.
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This is misleading as the bearing failure is attributed to rusty filler pipes which let in water when they let go, and getting fine particles inside the pump which are fine enough to go through the filter which gives a heady mix which no vehicle can cope with.
In areas such as Aus and NZ they have a lot of more remote filling stations which have older tanks made from steel which rust and they have low turn over of fuel which allows all manner of silts and water through condensation to get into them and if they are low on fuel you are pumping in a mixture of rust, silts, and water along with your diesel and many will not pay to have their storage tanks cleaned or even replaced; this is why a lot of these boys use pre filtration systems to better filter their fuels. |
We might just have to disagree on that one. In Australia its well documented that bearing failure causes the metal filings and I base my comment on that. I am not aiming to mislead.
I do agree on the state of some bulk tanks and sediment however these failures are occuring on vehicles that have had city life and outback life with secondary 3 mircon filters fitted. |
Its often the water and sediment which causes the bearings to let go, here in the UK we have lots of nice, clean looking filling stations with filthy tanks, the rotted fuel lines let in water and contamination so no disagreement just different reasons why the bearings fail.
I used to own fuel stations and I have seen many of the issues, the fuel trains coming into the main distribution centres used tank filler pipes with over 1 gallon (4.5 litres) of water in them due to their convoluted design during winter, during a hot summer they would be full of dust and that's just transferring the fuel from the train to the distribution centre tanks, then transferring the fuel from the main storage tanks to the lorries used different pipes with exactly the same problem and this is before it got to us. |
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mof000 *****
Age: 53 Zodiac: Joined: 28 Oct 2012 Posts: 780 Location: Lincolnshire
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Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2018 21:52 Post subject: |
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I've had my 3.2 for over 4 years and i love it! Mine is 2004 with 145000 on the clock. I did have to have a new fuel tank and a recon turbo at about 130000 but apart from that it's been very reliable. Just been to Barmouth for 5 days which is over 210 miles from my house no worries at all! |
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