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ShogunItHurts Newbie
Joined: 29 May 2019 Posts: 9 Location: Leek
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Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2019 20:29 Post subject: Diagnostics |
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Ok, so I'm new here but I can't see much discussion on diagnostics. What is possible without spending much money? I have a laptop and I'm not afraid to use it! I have a bunch of OBD cables for other cars but they all have dedicated software for diagnostics, I don't have anything general purpose. Can anyone give me an idea of what I can do with the Shogun?
I have a '02 LWB Mk3 GDI (Petrol) if it makes any difference. I've only had a month or so but it's going to be around for a while, it's just awesome.
Recommendations for general purpose OBD software would be great, or id there is anything Mitsi specific please let me know!
cheers
Mark |
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assassin ********
Age: 64 Zodiac: Joined: 29 Jul 2009 Posts: 5077 Location: Wherever I Wander To -- Midlands
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Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 3:31 Post subject: |
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Its because very few readers will read the diagnostics system as they are MUTT and need the dedicated MUTT software installed, and this is expensive and uneconomical for most DIY owners to justify. |
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peacebank **
Age: 43 Zodiac: Joined: 28 Apr 2013 Posts: 54 Location: Suffolk
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Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 7:42 Post subject: |
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An 02 petrol should be obd compliant, so any generic Bluetooth reader and a copy of Torque on your phone should do the job.
If you want to spend a bit more money then the OBDLink MX adapters are great and come with PC based software as well as for your phone. |
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ShogunItHurts Newbie
Joined: 29 May 2019 Posts: 9 Location: Leek
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Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 9:54 Post subject: |
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Thanks Guys, it's probably a good sign most people don't have a need for it in terms of reliability!
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An 02 petrol should be obd compliant |
Good spot. It became EU law didn't it? However, I would be surprised if Mitsubishi created OBD compliance just for the petrol version of the Mk3... it will be interesting to find out when they because compliant.
I'll try a cheap option first and see if it works. I had picked up on the Mitsubishi system being different but it's difficult to know which packages will be able to give me anything useful. I don't want to pay a regular subscription as this is just to give the car a check-over and then have ready in case it ever goes wrong.
I'll report back what I find.
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icehawk LifeTime Member
Age: 62 Zodiac: Joined: 09 Apr 2006 Posts: 2550 Location: walsall west.mids
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Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 10:10 Post subject: |
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Yes keep us posted,been looking for something as well in case any faults come along in the future,it would be interesting to know if any other members have been able to find something that can read codes on mk3,at an affordable price. |
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peacebank **
Age: 43 Zodiac: Joined: 28 Apr 2013 Posts: 54 Location: Suffolk
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Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:05 Post subject: |
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I had a 2006 GDI and my obd readers (including a cheapy eBay one) worked fine, I can't image a 2002 being much different.
I think it was the diesels that didn't have to be compliant until a bit later in (2006??) so they tend to be a bit more difficult. My 2009 3.2 is fine with the obd readers though. |
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assassin ********
Age: 64 Zodiac: Joined: 29 Jul 2009 Posts: 5077 Location: Wherever I Wander To -- Midlands
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Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2019 3:49 Post subject: |
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Good spot. It became EU law didn't it? However, I would be surprised if Mitsubishi created OBD compliance just for the petrol version of the Mk3... it will be interesting to find out when they because compliant.
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No it didn't, it only became law on new vehicles and not existing models and this is where the disparity lies as the Shogun model ran effectively from 2000 to 2018 without significant changes and under EU law definitions it was one and the same model and not a requirement, so I will give my experiences.
I have not found a generic code reader which works with them correctly and when you are using £4000+ code readers you are using quality, some code readers will read some things and these are minimal; while other code readers will read other things and give an incorrect fault. |
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peacebank **
Age: 43 Zodiac: Joined: 28 Apr 2013 Posts: 54 Location: Suffolk
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Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2019 13:30 Post subject: |
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Well I don't know what code readers you have been using, but I can guarantee my cheap bluetooth one works on my petrol Mk3 and the diesel Mk4.
I also had two Shogun Sports, a 1999 V6 that was OBD compliant and a 2003 2.5 diesel that was not. |
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hutchy ********
Age: 51 Zodiac: Joined: 03 May 2004 Posts: 5010 Location: somewhere on earth
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Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2019 15:01 Post subject: |
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you don,t need fancy code readers on mk3 shogun pajero just earth out pin no.1 on the diagnostic socket turn on the ignition only and count the flashes given off by the engine light then google the no. simple... |
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wales660 ***
Age: 53 Zodiac: Joined: 29 Jul 2017 Posts: 130 Location: South Wales
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Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2019 18:23 Post subject: |
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If you have an EML light on then ground the correct pin on the diagnostic port and count the long and short flashes which will tell you whats wrong. |
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ClappedOut Newbie
Age: 57 Zodiac: Joined: 20 Dec 2020 Posts: 5 Location: Oxfordshire
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Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2020 21:41 Post subject: |
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So a 2005 Shogun does not need to have OBD-II because the first version was made ages ago ?
No wonder I couldnt find the son of a preacherman socket to plug into.
Having struggled to find used spares for a Pertrol V6, all the breakerlink manifolds are cracked for V6 Petrols or £350 a pop, I imported a new part at £LOL (+vat)
In five years time I doubt many Shoguns or Pajeros will be left on the road.
Maybe I should play cambelt roulette and simply weigh it in when it poo itself, only done 100,000 miles though as it an occasional use vehicle so it seems a shame to bin it but poor parts availability and dead forums are a bad omen. |
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ClappedOut Newbie
Age: 57 Zodiac: Joined: 20 Dec 2020 Posts: 5 Location: Oxfordshire
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Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2020 21:54 Post subject: |
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I am amused by the censor machine "Son of a preacherman"
AMEN to that Brother, AMEN! |
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Nikonov94 Newbie
Age: 41 Zodiac: Joined: 26 Nov 2020 Posts: 6 Location: Saratov, Russia
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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2020 15:10 Post subject: |
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Dead forums aren't necessarily a bad omen for anything, it's forums as a platform in general that are declining.
Still, yes, there's an effort to keep older cars off the roads so that people don't get a choice and have to buy the latest models regularly, that's unfortunately a thing, and that's an extension of programmed obsolescence that now applies to old things that still work... |
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