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Shogun 06 plate 3.2 DID warrior intermittently stalling


 
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2020 11:21    Post subject: Shogun 06 plate 3.2 DID warrior intermittently stalling Reply with quote

Hi all
I am new to this forum.

I have an 06 plate 3.2DID warrior, automatic, and have owned it for 2 years.  I've had to get quite a lot done to it in that time but it has always run well.  Sorry for this long post but I am trying to give as much info as possible to help you guys try and help me Smile

A few months ago it started intermittently stalling when pulling away from sitting in traffic.  The engine idles over fine, there are no funny noises and it does not always happen.  If I pull away slowly and build up speed then it seems to be ok but if I put my foot down to pull away fast into a gap then it sometimes stalls.  Engine always sounds lovely and smooth, the auto gearbox changes with no problems or noises and so I do not think it is the gearbox, but what do I know?

I have started 'coasting' to junctions, lights and roundabouts so that I do not actually stop, and I am getting some pretty angry drivers behind me when I wait for a huge gap to pull into traffic just in case the shogun stalls and is stuck across the oncoming lane.

It just cuts out when you put your foot down on the pedal and all the dash lights come on as they do when you first turn on the ignition - normally it takes 2 or 3 attempts of re-starting engine and stalling before it will finally pull away - not fun as you can imagine.  Also it means that I can not tow at the moment which is a real pain too.

I have recently had a full service and fuel filter changed and new timing belt - I think it was the filter, it looks like a tin can at the back right of the engine.  The mechanic said it was full of gunk at the bottom, had a lot of water in it and was only half full of diesel.  Once replaced it took a few goes to prime fuel back in. We hoped that would solve the stalling problem but it hasn't so, he is looking to fit a new pump that sits on the top of the filter.

I had to get a complete new fuel line put in from tank to engine last year as it was all corroded and leaking diesel, I was unaware of this until the MOT and just thought it was a greedy vehicle.  Could it be drawing in air/water if not sealed proprerly?

Also, the ABS and traction control sensor intermittently goes on and off, I had it cleaned but it still does it.  Apparently you can't buy just the sensor and have to replace the entire drive shaft as it is built in - is this correct?  Could this be causing the stalling problem?  I don't think so as it started doing it before the sensor started playing up.

My mechanic is great but not used to working on shoguns and so he has been looking (as have I) on the forums to see any similar issues.  He (and I) are worried that I will have to get my fuel tank removed and chemically cleaned, but I am seeing lots of posts about fuel pump sensors, water or air getting in, air filters etc that could also cause this problem.

He is keen that I do not spend loads of money by process of elimination to try and resolve the stalling issue - I have spent over £4k 'fixing things' on it after I bought it from a less than honest garage that has since closed.  I can't afford to just scrap it and get a replacement, and because I know that I have added new discs/pads/callipers(all round)/break pipes/fuel line/tyres etc then all the important stuff is new and safe so I would rather try and sort this problem than have to buy another one of around the same age and possibly have to do all the same replacements again....

If anyone has any suggestions that would be very much appreciatd.

Many thanks.

Lisa
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2020 11:52    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check the fuel filler pipes that go from the fuel cap to the fuel tank. They are behind a removable shield in the rear wheel arch.

They tend to get covered in muck and rust - also check the breather pipes.

If they are badly corroded then water and sediment can get into the fuel and into the fuel pump which is well known for being damaged by both. I think that the gunk in the fuel filter confirms that the fuel is contaminated.

Have a read of this thread:

http://www.pocuk.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=155717&sid=3eb919e3bdce999d0440d76c813106f7

The fuel pump tends to fail if it gets water and sediment in it and if it has started to fail then I'm afraid you are looking a quite a sizable bill to replace it.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2020 13:49    Post subject: thanks Reply with quote

Many thanks for coming back to me - I did have to get the entire fuel line replaced under the vehicle as it was completely corroded and leaking so it goes that this is the most likely culprit - I could cry.  I think I many just look at getting another shogun and selling this one as spares and repairs, running but possible fuel pump needed!  What a b*gger as it runs and tows beautifully, just the intermittent stalling issue that is the problem but then who wants a car that you worry will stall each time you pull away??

Thanks for your help though.

Much appreciated.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2020 14:31    Post subject: Reply with quote

Before you make a decision, have a look at the filter pipes and the state of the fuel tank.

It maybe worth getting a garage experienced in these trucks to confirm it is the pump.

The pump problem is the one reason I never considered a MkIII - even though the vast majority of them do massive mileages with no fuel pump problems.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2020 14:36    Post subject: thanks Reply with quote

Thanks - going by the state of all the other 'undercarriage' I assume they will also be bad, but I will get them looked at before jumping into anything.    Thanks again.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2020 15:45    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes as pete said,just pull the plastic cover from drivers rear  wheel arch and check filler pipe and breathers,it fills up with dirt/silt and corrodes the pipes letting dirt/water into the tank then onto filter then pump where it does the damage,i checked mine before i brought it and they where in  almost new condition,so had been replaced or regularly cleaned,stupid design and use of materials,could have easily been sorted by using different materials or better location.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2020 15:59    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also,if the truck is in good condition and after spending 4k on it,then even shelling out on a replacement pump and filler and breather pipe assembly at around £1500,you would know you have a sound truck,trying to sell it with pump problems make them sub £800 or even less and these trucks are capable of achieving high mileage,mine as done 184,000 miles and runs sweet as a nut and drives better than other cars with 60k and only a few years old,and if you go for another truck ,you could be facing same or other issues and the newer models have there own problems.i would definitely check the fuel filter and housing first even though the filter is new,maybe buy genuine or blueprint make which are good quality.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2020 16:03    Post subject: thanks Reply with quote

Thanks

I am taking it to a garage tomorrow as looking at another Shogun (I don't hang around) but they said they would have a look for me just in case those pipes are fine and then we can look at other possible causes.

I will keep you posted.

Thanks.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2020 16:14    Post subject: thanks Reply with quote

icehawk wrote:
Also,if the truck is in good condition and after spending 4k on it,then even shelling out on a replacement pump and filler and breather pipe assembly at around £1500,you would know you have a sound truck,trying to sell it with pump problems make them sub £800 or even less and these trucks are capable of achieving high mileage,mine as done 184,000 miles and runs sweet as a nut and drives better than other cars with 60k and only a few years old,and if you go for another truck ,you could be facing same or other issues and the newer models have there own problems.i would definitely check the fuel filter and housing first even though the filter is new,maybe buy genuine or blueprint make which are good quality.


I see where you are coming from - the dealer is a 4by4 specialist who I bought my first one from about 15 yrs ago and was really good on phone.  He says he will look at mine and see if it is 'obviously' the pump and could possibly do any work needed (my mechanic comes to the house and could not do a fuel pump change really) I have enough to spend about £2k getting it fixed, or as a deposit on the newer one. I agree, I know this truck and all the new parts, it drives and pulls brilliantly and the 4wd is fantastic, living in Scotland I need that a lot in the winter.  If I get it fixed, the garage can also do an under seal for me which would hopefully keep the rust problem down for a good few years.

Will keep you posted and thanks.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 13:01    Post subject: update and thanks for all your helpful advice Reply with quote

Hi Guys

Just wanted to update you on the shogun saga.

It is not the pump, phew, it was drawing in air - but it now has an intermittent faulty ABS/traction control sensor (it comes on and off as the sensor is corroded) which will need a bit of work done to fix. It is also pretty rusty underneath, as stated on its latest MOT.

So, I have decided to bite the bullet and am buying a 16 plate shogun from a reputable 4by4 garage by me and they are going to take my 06 plate; not as part ex as they don't part ex anything that 'old' but they do know 4by4 buyers who may be interested.  I am in Scotland and I know there are plenty of buyers who buy to fix up and I would rather the garage handled that than me having random people turning up at home.

I will look to get the new one undersealed and will get it serviced by the selling garage - it comes with free 12 month warranty and I can extend this for longer if I wish.  They sold the Shogun from new to its previous owner and have done all the servicing so that gives me confidence it has been well cared for.

Thanks again for all your help and advice - very much appreciated.  I will now be living on bread and water for the next 5 years but at least I will have a reliable shogun that I can tow with and feel confident it will not let me down Smile

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 14:32    Post subject: Reply with quote

Probably the best solution - rust is very hard to sort out once it has got hold.
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