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"Exercising" 4x4 actuators/solenoids


 
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2024 20:22    Post subject: "Exercising" 4x4 actuators/solenoids Reply with quote

We use our Montero (same as a Pajero/Shogun) in two ways - long trips (many months, covering a wide variety of terrain), and use not far from home - not much more than 500 km  or so on a trip. The former trip gives the 4x4 a workout, however the latter rarely needs 4x4.

Perhaps more importantly (?) whereas the long trip may be 45,000 km in a year, "normal" use between long trips means that the vehicle sits unused for much of the time - we've driven about 1500 km this year so far.

This means that the 4x4 solenoids and actuators get hardly any use for many months. We've just had to replace one of the solenoids and I'm wondering whether anyone has a suggestion for how to "exercise" the system so that they don't "freeze". We cycle through the 4x4 system every so often - driving a short distance in 4H, 4L, and 4LC, however I'm wondering whether there's any sense in simply selecting each mode for a few seconds, without moving, every time we start the vehicle, to actuate the solenoids/actuators.

Thoughts and suggestions please.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2024 4:02    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very simple as you can drive in 2 wheel drive or 4 wheel drive on the road, you cannot drive with the centre diff lock engaged, or with it in low range.

You can switch between 2 and 4 wheel drive on the fly which means you have to be travelling in a straight line, on a trailing throttle, at less than 100Kmh or 60 MPH and you switch between the two, as it is an electronic operated system the system itself selects the appropriate time to switch.

If you have some loose terrain or wet grass you can put it in 4H and once engaged you stop and put it in Neutral (manual) or N (autos) and wait until it switches and drive off, stop again and again Park or neutraland into 4 low, once engaged you drive off.

Never drive in locked centre diff or low range on any solid surface and while you are on a slippery surface you can keep switching through the system and back, depending on your climate this needs going twice per year in temperate climates or up to 4 times in cold climates, and switch in and out multiple times.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2024 21:10    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the reply. This is what we're doing now, once a month or so, although we don't change 2WD to 4WD or back again on the move.

I was wondering whether simply shifting the system while stopped (for example, every time when we start the vehicle) would operate the solenoids/actuators to keep them from "seizing". If this is not a good idea we need to increase the frequency of cycling the system, I suppose.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2024 3:47    Post subject: Reply with quote

alanymarce wrote:
Thanks for the reply. This is what we're doing now, once a month or so, although we don't change 2WD to 4WD or back again on the move.

I was wondering whether simply shifting the system while stopped (for example, every time when we start the vehicle) would operate the solenoids/actuators to keep them from "seizing". If this is not a good idea we need to increase the frequency of cycling the system, I suppose.


The issue is two fold, first the system is electronically controlled and in 2 WD it is sending all the power to the rear axle and as you switch to 4H it switches from sending 100% of the power to the rear axle and sending 66% to the rear axle and the remaining 34% to the front axle and the system selects the optimum time to do this by measuring the front axle, rear axle, and applied torque and when they are correct it will change.

Secondly the centre differential is a variable torque based system and while mormally it sends 2/3rds of the power to the rear axle and the remaining 1/3rd power to the front axle, both axles are measured and if the system detects a slip in one axle it guts power from that axle and sends it to the other axle, so if slip is detected at both rear wheels the system can send up to 100% of the power to the front axle, or vice versa to only the wheels with traction get the power.

So, always switch on the fly as the steering angle sensor will detect your steering wheel in the straight ahead position and the throttle on trailing and it switches with rotating cogs which mean they switch better; and low range is engaged with an electric motor.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2024 18:13    Post subject: Reply with quote

assassin wrote:
...So, always switch on the fly as the steering angle sensor will detect your steering wheel in the straight ahead position and the throttle on trailing and it switches with rotating cogs which mean they switch better; and low range is engaged with an electric motor.


Hmm  - thanks for the advice on switching while moving - obviously only from 2H to 4H and back (?).

The concern I have is simply that for long periods we don't need 4L, nor do we need to lock the diffs. So except when on "big trips" the only times we actuate these functions is when we do so as a routine (cycling through all modes every month or so) which is really not very often. Should we cycle through all modes, every week? ...every day?

Hence the original question of whether simply cycling through all modes every time we start the vehicle would help (while stationary) - we'd still cycle through the modes as we do now, driving on suitable surfaces of course (which means driving off somewhere with a loose surface).
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2024 3:09    Post subject: Reply with quote

It will help but it wont really work the control electronics and as they all work together it is really the only way to exercise the whole system, otherwise it is only partially exercising the system.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2024 17:43    Post subject: Reply with quote

assassin wrote:
It will help but it wont really work the control electronics and as they all work together it is really the only way to exercise the whole system, otherwise it is only partially exercising the system.


Thanks for the advice - most helpful!
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