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spyderwerkes *
Age: 59 Zodiac: Joined: 23 Dec 2006 Posts: 16 Location: DEVON
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Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 13:10 Post subject: Diff Locks - Again! |
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I want to fit diff locks to my 95 2.8SWB and have a number of queries. After doing some research I've narrowed it down to 3 choices and your help/advice would be greatly appreciated.
1. ARB. The best according to a lot of peeps, fully controllable which would be excellent especially on the front. Can also be used as a compressor to pump tyres back up. Downsides, very expensive (I've been quoted £1,000) and only available on the rears.
2. Lokka. Cheap, a lot of reccomendations from our cousins down under, did I mention cheap. Downsides, no UK distributors so may be difficulties with warranties/fitment etc. They don't do one for the front.
3. Scrapyard. A breaker in Wales has offered me a complete front and rear locking diff from an 'R' reg. Shogun. He said it's actuated electronically and I need the ECU. I also need to confirm splines/crown wheel etc. Downsides. Whilst the price is tempting this sounds like a pain.
I'm not sure if my information is correct as I've been quoted by local suppliers. If anybody has any experience or advice please post a reply. Alternatively if there are any specialists in the Devon area get in contact.
Cheers Guys. |
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NJV6 ******
Age: 102 Zodiac: Joined: 20 Feb 2008 Posts: 1355 Location: New Zealand
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Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 20:43 Post subject: Re: Diff Locks - Again! |
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I will answer the questions for your vehicle. Different models have different options
spyderwerkes wrote: |
1. ARB. The best according to a lot of peeps, fully controllable which would be excellent especially on the front. Can also be used as a compressor to pump tyres back up. Downsides, very expensive (I've been quoted £1,000) and only available on the rears. |
The ARB is only available for the front. The rear is going to be available shortly. These are by far the most user friendly - even more so than the factory locker. They are also proven and very strong - I run one in the front of mine.
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2. Lokka. Cheap, a lot of reccomendations from our cousins down under, did I mention cheap. Downsides, no UK distributors so may be difficulties with warranties/fitment etc. They don't do one for the front. |
Once more, available only for the front. pretty foolproof off road, its always locked, but lets one wheel go faster when turning. You will then not be able to use your super select 4WD - ie, no 4WD on the road. You will need to fit free wheeling hubs to the front also
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3. Scrapyard. A breaker in Wales has offered me a complete front and rear locking diff from an 'R' reg. Shogun. He said it's actuated electronically and I need the ECU. I also need to confirm splines/crown wheel etc. Downsides. Whilst the price is tempting this sounds like a pain. |
This is not right - they are only available for the rear. Mitsubishi has never made a front locker for Pajero's. They are also air operated but do need the ecu to operate if you wire it per factory. It is easier to wire up without the ECU. I run one of these in the back of mine until ARB make the rear I mentioned above. If you get one - the ONLY one that will fit straight in will be from a 2.8 SWB like yours. However some 3.5 V6 LWB ones *should* be the same, easy to check with diff codes.
Hope this helps, feel free to ask anything more.
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spyderwerkes *
Age: 59 Zodiac: Joined: 23 Dec 2006 Posts: 16 Location: DEVON
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Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 21:25 Post subject: |
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Cheers mate,
Very useful info. Seems I got my fronts and rears mixed up as usual.
This scrapyard diff I've been offered is obviously a mistake. Could be LSD or just open diffs. Funny thing is the guy is selling front locking diffs for the pajero on ebay! Any chance you could take a look and tell me exactly what they are.
I'd appreciate it if you could post up a message when the ARB becomes available - I assume you guys will get it first. Any problems with the ARB? |
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NJV6 ******
Age: 102 Zodiac: Joined: 20 Feb 2008 Posts: 1355 Location: New Zealand
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Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 22:18 Post subject: |
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spyderwerkes wrote: |
Cheers mate,
Very useful info. Seems I got my fronts and rears mixed up as usual.
This scrapyard diff I've been offered is obviously a mistake. Could be LSD or just open diffs. Funny thing is the guy is selling front locking diffs for the pajero on eblag! Any chance you could take a look and tell me exactly what they are. Heres the link:
I'd appreciate it if you could post up a message when the ARB becomes available - I assume you guys will get it first. Any problems with the ARB? |
The Rear ARB has been developed and has a part number now but it is not in stock yet so another few months should see it on. The only problems with the ARB's usually come down to the installer. Try and get someone who has done them before to install it - they ahve a pretty precise O ring in them if not right, just presurises the Diff and the locker won't work. They really are a great unti when put in properly.
The link you sent - That is the super select activation part which enables you to put it into 4H when on the move from 2H. It is the slip joint and collar so it is definately not a auto locking diff!!! You can see the plunger that is vacuum operated and also the wires that cause the flashing light syndrome |
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NJV6 ******
Age: 102 Zodiac: Joined: 20 Feb 2008 Posts: 1355 Location: New Zealand
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Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 22:22 Post subject: |
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I might add that your scrappie could be right - many people don't realise the factroy diff lock is air operated. becasue you need an ecu and a switch they think it is electric. If he mentioned the ECU it shouldn't be a LSD as they don't need that. You should have a LSD already which are pretty effective when you know how to use them (ie - strategic use of the handbrake ) |
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spyderwerkes *
Age: 59 Zodiac: Joined: 23 Dec 2006 Posts: 16 Location: DEVON
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Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 22:59 Post subject: |
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NJV6,
You've convinced me - ARB's it is. Price for two will be about £1700 supplied and fitted. How does that compare with your corner of the world.
Devon 4x4 will do the work - check out their website I think they're the best around here.
By the way, what time is it? |
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NJV6 ******
Age: 102 Zodiac: Joined: 20 Feb 2008 Posts: 1355 Location: New Zealand
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Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 0:16 Post subject: |
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As I write this it is Friday 12:10 pm, so lunch time. We are the 1st place in the world GMT + 13 at the moment I think.
If you do lots of 4WDing on uneven surfaces where you are doing a PAjero salute often then you will absolutely love your diffs locks.
Have you counted an air compressor and fitting into the bill? The compressor is about $NZ450 and each locker is about $NZ1500 Exchange rate is about 3:1 I think at the mo so you price is a bit dearer. Mine fitted was $NZ2200. It depends if the 1700 pounds includes the compressor or not. See if you can haggle on the compressor.
There are plenty of better compressors available for the price such as the bushranger Max Air. But you will need a pressure switch to make it cycle on and off at ~ 100psi which the ARB's operate at. |
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