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DIY metal removal from your engine oil.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 19:11    Post subject: DIY metal removal from your engine oil. Reply with quote

If you are concerned about small amounts of metal filings getting through your oil filter,
try an old trick that I was taught by a guy that builds race engines for dragsters and
rally cars.
Find an old, standard fit, car door speaker, an 8 ohm weeny one will do, then bash the hell
out of it and get the magnet off.
Then stick the magnet to the outer casing of your oil filter, and it will magnetise the whole of the
filter, and therefore, retain all of the foreign metallic bits that would otherwise have your
oil-seals for Hors d'oeurves.............

Sounds great in principle........

Nick.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 19:23    Post subject: Reply with quote

wow...that sounds so simple...it must do some good surely!!!! Laughing can't hurt it anyway!!!! Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 19:47    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shocked Why is there metal bits in it in the first place? dontknow
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 19:59    Post subject: Reply with quote

surely the filter is there to collect all the bits out of the oil?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 20:01    Post subject: Reply with quote

The thing with most engines, is that you never know when something is starting to
wear out until it's too late............and IF something starts to break up or worse,
any bits would be retained within the filter housing, I guess.... Confused
Just a bit of added protection. I would have thought that it would be good for those
people that may have just had some major engine internals repair or replacement,
i.e, new pistons, rings, big-ends etc.

You would be surprised at how much metal is floating around in your oil that you drain for an oil/filter change.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 20:02    Post subject: Reply with quote

gegs750k4 wrote:
surely the filter is there to collect all the bits out of the oil?


Not all of it, believe me!
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 20:15    Post subject: Reply with quote

sounds a good logical idea to me
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 20:27    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nick63 wrote:
gegs750k4 wrote:
surely the filter is there to collect all the bits out of the oil?


Not all of it, believe me!


You're talking lower than what, 10-20 microns though?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 20:27    Post subject: Reply with quote

Me too, will try it out and see what i find when next doing the oil change.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 20:32    Post subject: Reply with quote

then it is necessary to cut the filter open to see if there is any.

I like the magnet oil drain plug as that will tell me of impending damage as well.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 9:33    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shiny wrote:
Nick63 wrote:
gegs750k4 wrote:
surely the filter is there to collect all the bits out of the oil?


Not all of it, believe me!


You're talking lower than what, 10-20 microns though?


Maybe a bit larger than that, the guy that told me about the magnet, showed me some amazing
and quite frankly, thought provoking evidence to back this up.
in their workshop, they have a waste oil collection unit, that has a large, square, flat steel slab,
that is magnetic, in the tray at the top. They then slowly pour the oil from the engine that they are working
on at the time, over this magnet, and allow it to drain off over the sides.
the residue that was left was stuck to the plate, and when you ran your fingers through it,
it felt like fine sand! and this oil was running through a filter as well!

I'm no engine expert, and these fine filings would probably not do as much damage to a truck
engine, as it would to the Lotus and Cosworth units that they build, but an oil seal is an oil seal
at the end of the day, and would all be susceptible to metallic abrasion caused by the presence
of these pieces.............. Confused
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 10:31    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to work on some engines many moons ago where there was a small cylindrical magnet actually in the drain plug so that every time you changed the oil you could see if anything untoward was happening.

Getting old now can't remember which engines it was.  Laughing  Laughing

Just had a google and there are plenty of hits for buying them and here's a how to make your own.

http://www.ehow.com/how_5703188_make-magnetic-oil-drain-plug.html
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 10:52    Post subject: Reply with quote

Helicopters have magnetic plugs strategically positioned in their gearboxes for the same reason........ they pick up any particles, and will warn the pilot, giving several valuable minutes to get the helicopter onto the ground before a possible gearbox failure.

The engines tend to be made of aluminium and other non ferrous metals, so magnets aren't a lot of use on them.

Part of the regular servicing carried out on helicopter gearboxes is/was to remove the plugs and check for debris collected on the tips, giving a sign of wear related issues and imminent problems. Sea Kings are still flying, so I wouldn't think that the process has changed in the 20+ years since I was last climbing around helping the grubbers (mechanical engineers) when they were in need of an extra pair of hands.

I also remember having a car with a magnetic "drain plug", but can't remember which car it was now Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 11:49    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh Dear ! I must be getting Alzheimers.  Laughing  Laughing  Laughing

Seeing minesapasty reply triggered the remaining memory cell - it wasn't a car engine that had the magnetic plug, it was the Rolls Royce RB211 engines we had to drive the gas turbines we used to build. The hydraulic starter motors had them in.

It was only ten years ago !!! duh!!!
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 7:23    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most bikes have a magnetic sump plug.
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