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shogun-fife ****
Age: 44 Zodiac: Joined: 13 Jan 2011 Posts: 442 Location: Fife, Scotland
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Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 23:46 Post subject: Swapping Pajero for Challenger |
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I've been thinking about selling my pajero for something a little more modern, and after briefly thinking about other options I keep coming back to mitsi. I've decided I'd like to go petrol this time after owning both 2.5 & 2.8 TD shogun/paj, and in particular have been looking at the Challenger/Sport.
The main thing I'm wondering about is the 4wd system - I'm aware it isn't Super Select and can't be used in 4wd on hard surfaces so my question is, does it matter? I tend to drive my paj in 4wd through most of the winter and when it's wet, otherwise it can be tail-happy on the AT tyres. If the Challenger has to be driven in 2wd on the road, does that mean it's as much use as a BMW when it's a bit icy? I previously thought they were ok in 4wd but couldn't be switched on the move like SS, but after reading more on here I now see that's a no-go. This would potentially put me off, unless any Challenger/Sport owners can talk me round? (I understand later trucks have SS but I'd be looking at 1998-2003ish). |
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Simon_W *******
Joined: 21 May 2013 Posts: 4881 Location: Watford
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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 0:28 Post subject: |
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I think the extra security of permanent 4WD is worth having. Whilst Shogun Sports don't have Super-Select, Challengers do. There are some petrol Challengers about with Super Select gearboxes. They are rare though, but might be worth searching for.
Crazy price, but here's an example: 3.5 Challenger on Ebay |
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shogun-fife ****
Age: 44 Zodiac: Joined: 13 Jan 2011 Posts: 442 Location: Fife, Scotland
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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 0:41 Post subject: |
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Simon_W wrote: |
I think the extra security of permanent 4WD is worth having. Whilst Shogun Sports don't have Super-Select, Challengers do. There are some petrol Challengers about with Super Select gearboxes. They are rare though, but might be worth searching for.
Crazy price, but here's an example: 3.5 Challenger on Ebay |
Cheers for the reply. I've read that 2.8 Challengers have SS, is that all 2.8s? I would consider a 2.8 if one came up but would prefer petrol, and also manual if possible. There's one on ebay at the moment but it would have to be on the south coast of all places - I don't mind travelling for the right car but that's pushing it! Also leather interior which would be a bonus. |
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Simon_W *******
Joined: 21 May 2013 Posts: 4881 Location: Watford
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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 3:00 Post subject: |
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shogun-fife wrote: |
Cheers for the reply. I've read that 2.8 Challengers have SS, is that all 2.8s? I would consider a 2.8 if one came up but would prefer petrol, and also manual if possible. There's one on ebay at the moment but it would have to be on the south coast of all places - I don't mind travelling for the right car but that's pushing it! Also leather interior which would be a bonus. |
I now realise that my original response wasn't correct. I'd forgotten that the name 'Challenger' was originally used for vehicles sold new into the UK market in 2.5 diesel and 3.0 petrol versions. I don't believe that these had Super Select. It's the vehicles imported from Japan that have Super Select. The name 'Challenger' was then replaced with 'Shogun Sport' and 'Pajero Sport' in the UK and elsewhere.
I think that all the 2.8 diesels were imports, and that all 2.8s will have Super Select. I don't know of any 2.8 manuals, but it doesn't mean that they don't exist.
I'm pretty sure that on Super Select vehicles the transfer box lever is to the right of the gear selector/lever. On vehicles without it, the transfer lever is to the left. So that would mean that the one in the Ebay link isn't Super Select.
Hope all that makes sense! |
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shogun-fife ****
Age: 44 Zodiac: Joined: 13 Jan 2011 Posts: 442 Location: Fife, Scotland
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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 20:42 Post subject: |
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Yeah makes sense cheers
I'll have to give this more thought while I wait and see what comes up within reasonable distance. In reality I never go off road and may have driven in snow about 3 times in 3 years so permanent 4wd shouldn't really be a priority, I've just got used to having it. |
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KEVINBUK ******
Age: 67 Zodiac: Joined: 05 Nov 2004 Posts: 2001 Location: SW Northumberland
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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 20:53 Post subject: |
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For what its worth I had a 2.8 Challenger Auto and apart from off roading and seriously skitey road conditions, ran it in 2WD at all other times without feeling it was tail happy on the 265/75/16 BFG A/T's. I cannot say the same for the combination of Enduros and Pirrellis I had on earlier
I think you would be fine in 2WD for normal conditions and know that when the going got tough you still had 4WD in reserve on a Shogun Sport.
Personally I would have Auto over Manual every time ( would swap my current transmission in a heartbeat if it was a simple job).
All IMHO of course
K |
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shogun-fife ****
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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 23:26 Post subject: |
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KEVINBUK wrote: |
For what its worth I had a 2.8 Challenger Auto and apart from off roading and seriously skitey road conditions, ran it in 2WD at all other times without feeling it was tail happy on the 265/75/16 BFG A/T's. I cannot say the same for the combination of Enduros and Pirrellis I had on earlier
I think you would be fine in 2WD for normal conditions and know that when the going got tough you still had 4WD in reserve on a Shogun Sport.
Personally I would have Auto over Manual every time ( would swap my current transmission in a heartbeat if it was a simple job).
All IMHO of course
K |
I have Enduros on mine - didn't think it was possible to lose the back end in a 2.5 but it's surprisingly easy in the wet |
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KEVINBUK ******
Age: 67 Zodiac: Joined: 05 Nov 2004 Posts: 2001 Location: SW Northumberland
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Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 9:36 Post subject: |
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Sorry but I think your problem is the Enduros and not the car... Honestly, the difference between my BFG A/T's and the Enduros ( and the Pirelli Scorpions) was dramatic to say the least. It was more obviuos for me as when I bought the car it had new Bridgestones A/T's on std 15" wheels and everything was solid. I then changed to the 16" wheels with the Enduros and Pirellis already fitted and with loads of tread. I thought " what the hell is wrong with the handling?" But then fitted the BFG's and that solved the problem.
I have seen folk on here say their Enduros have been fine, well I can only speak from my own experience.
K |
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shogun-fife ****
Age: 44 Zodiac: Joined: 13 Jan 2011 Posts: 442 Location: Fife, Scotland
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2016 19:29 Post subject: |
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Update -
I have put down a deposit on a 3.0V6 challenger which I will pick up next weekend. I've never driven a petrol shogun or pajero so looking forward to seeing how it drives on the road trip back from picking it up. Will post pics when I get her home. |
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Simon_W *******
Joined: 21 May 2013 Posts: 4881 Location: Watford
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2016 21:12 Post subject: |
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I'm sure you'll be delighted with it. I look forward to seeing the pics. |
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shogun-fife ****
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2016 22:39 Post subject: |
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Simon_W wrote: |
I'm sure you'll be delighted with it. I look forward to seeing the pics. |
Cheers
Out of curiosity, does anyone know if seats from a Shogun Sport will fit my Challenger? Or will I need the runners too? I was hoping for a leather interior but gone with cloth and will look out for leathers to add later. |
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vijay ******
Age: 52 Zodiac: Joined: 23 Jan 2008 Posts: 2040 Location: London
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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2016 10:04 Post subject: |
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IIRC you need to swap parts over from the old runners - but they do fit as I've done it |
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shogun-fife ****
Age: 44 Zodiac: Joined: 13 Jan 2011 Posts: 442 Location: Fife, Scotland
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2016 17:54 Post subject: |
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I had a look on ebay for leathers and unbelievably found a set for sale in the same village that I'm picking up the truck from I couldn't ignore a sign from the gods like that so I'll be taking it back up the road with me assuming it all fits in. Pretty happy with that as the cloth interior was the only thing I compromised on when looking for one of these. |
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skool *****
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2016 20:20 Post subject: |
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have to say i think your siggy pic makes your paj look gorgeous , not sure id of wanted to get rid of that tbh and if you werent so far away id of been interested in buying it as im starting to need a lwb for moving stuff thesedays more then the swb for offroad nimbleness
good luck with your new truck though - just make sure timing belt is done and then youll defo enjoy the v6 |
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shogun-fife ****
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2016 21:39 Post subject: |
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skool wrote: |
have to say i think your siggy pic makes your paj look gorgeous , not sure id of wanted to get rid of that tbh and if you werent so far away id of been interested in buying it as im starting to need a lwb for moving stuff thesedays more then the swb for offroad nimbleness
good luck with your new truck though - just make sure timing belt is done and then youll defo enjoy the v6 |
Cheers, I do love my paj but my work situation recently changed and I now use it every day, so I decided to look for something a bit newer and with a bit more welly It has been a great truck in the 3.5 years I've had it but I'm now looking forward to the new arrival - 49k on it and timing belt done recently so no worries |
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