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1997 2.8td pajero poor idle

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 20:49    Post subject: 1997 2.8td pajero poor idle Reply with quote

Hi everyone.
My Dads beloved pajero is driving him up the wall with poor tick over.

Starts spot on and drives fine. When up to temperature when you come to a stop it idles poorly like its going to cut out, but then recovers.

We know its a fly by wire which i believe can be a pain. Checked all the obvious and serviced regularly. If it was the TPS i believe it would change gear irratically which it dosnt.  possible duff map sensor?

Can anyone shed some light?  Does this model have a idle speed controller?

Many thanks
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:39    Post subject: Reply with quote

The injector pump controls idle speed, there is a sequence to go through to get the idle stable again, have a read of this;

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:00    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for your input.

Will this procedure be relevant for the 4m40 engine also?

I noted the document states 4m41

Thnks  again
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:08    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes it should be, no harm in trying  Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 19:38    Post subject: Reply with quote

A funny thing is, before I repaired my pump 3.2 DiD it needed this done when I took the battery off. Now it doesn't. Which is a relief as my aircon needs fixed.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 20:20    Post subject: Reply with quote

geodrome wrote:
A funny thing is, before I repaired my pump 3.2 DiD it needed this done when I took the battery off. Now it doesn't. Which is a relief as my aircon needs fixed.


Also the times i done seals on 2.8s with EDC pumps and i never had a problem with erratic idle afterwards.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 20:50    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could there be a problem inside the pump? Wear in the rotor head perhaps?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:19    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Pump had a total refurb a couple of years ago along with injectors
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 13:10    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've noticed that my idle goes up and down from cold start. Seems to coincide with the glow plugs pulsing on and off. Actually almost stalls its self and will stall if driven at this point. I pressume from seal failure in the early stages but Im wondering if there could be another issue too?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 13:32    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was going to try this but I dont have a belt to the A/C pump!

My Paj idles fine in N but when you engage D it'll drop's to a nice vehicle shaking <400 rpm!
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 2:43    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dave Spalding wrote:
I've noticed that my idle goes up and down from cold start. Seems to coincide with the glow plugs pulsing on and off. Actually almost stalls its self and will stall if driven at this point. I pressume from seal failure in the early stages but Im wondering if there could be another issue too?


Most the diesel diesel cars I've worked on have an electrical solenoid that shuts off the fuel supply to stop the engine. When powered the valve is open and fuel flows. The valve is not an on/off thing on my bro's landcruiser: the lever can be moved halfway to produce a very rough idle

I was wondering if the heavy load of the plugs is causing some other weakness in your electrical system (like a poor earth for the stop solenoid) to manifest as the stop solenoid partly closing the valve

You could try wiring the stop solenoid directly to another booster battery while it's exhibiting the problem and seeing if the stalling tendency clears?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 2:44    Post subject: Reply with quote

ps i say "most cars.." because i dont know for sure that the pajero has such a device for killing the engine - first step would be to find out if it does?!
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:29    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would my Dads 4m40 fly by wire have an idle control motor?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 21:54    Post subject: Re: 1997 2.8td pajero poor idle Reply with quote

Garymorris wrote:
Hi everyone.
My Dads beloved pajero is driving him up the wall with poor tick over.

Starts spot on and drives fine. When up to temperature when you come to a stop it idles poorly like its going to cut out, but then recovers.

We know its a fly by wire which i believe can be a pain. Checked all the obvious and serviced regularly. If it was the TPS i believe it would change gear irratically which it dosnt.  possible duff map sensor?

Can anyone shed some light?  Does this model have a idle speed controller?

Many thanks

I know its been some time lol, did u ever solve this, we get this and always have had it, change from to d to park or reverse to d and its up and down like its gonna die then fine, ive done my front seal and a new lift pump.
If shifted to n or park it seems to be fine,  I have a carman, have plugged in, tps fine.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 17:13    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi mine is doing exactly as lloydcole explains and driving me nuts, it will almost stall when first started cold, when warmed up to temp it is fine, any one know how to solve this
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