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| Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 20:48 Post subject: |
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I think those cheap hand winches would be perfect for his needs, he doesnt go off roading so at most its for that silly moment when you get stuck and wonder how  |
I've used mine for lifting engines in and out, when an engine hoist wasn't available, pulling a wreck onto a trailer, pulling a rolling chassis onto a trailer, they are a good tool........ when used sensibly. Obviously trying to pull a 2 1/2 ton truck with a tin-tent on the back or when stuck upto the axles in thick mud is beyond their scope, but they can be used for so many things, and as said, they can be bought cheaply, a great tool to have in your toolkit. |
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| Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 20:51 Post subject: |
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| I think those cheap hand winches would be perfect for his needs, he doesnt go off roading so at most its for that silly moment when you get stuck and wonder how |
I've used mine for lifting engines in and out, when an engine hoist wasn't available, pulling a wreck onto a trailer, pulling a rolling chassis onto a trailer, they are a good tool........ when used sensibly. Obviously trying to pull a 2 1/2 ton truck with a tin-tent on the back or when stuck upto the axles in thick mud is beyond their scope, but they can be used for so many things, and as said, they can be bought cheaply, a great tool to have in your toolkit. |
Thats what i was thinking if i get a 5ton or more it will come in handy and can just leave in boot |
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| Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 22:43 Post subject: |
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| minesapasty wrote: |
| markymoan wrote: |
| I think those cheap hand winches would be perfect for his needs, he doesnt go off roading so at most its for that silly moment when you get stuck and wonder how |
I've used mine for lifting engines in and out, when an engine hoist wasn't available, pulling a wreck onto a trailer, pulling a rolling chassis onto a trailer, they are a good tool........ when used sensibly. Obviously trying to pull a 2 1/2 ton truck with a tin-tent on the back or when stuck upto the axles in thick mud is beyond their scope, but they can be used for so many things, and as said, they can be bought cheaply, a great tool to have in your toolkit. |
Thats what i was thinking if i get a 5ton or more it will come in handy and can just leave in boot |
theres a reason they are so cheap ya know. they are c.rap. the place i used to work for were service agents for and importers of em, they are a pulling machine, not a lifting machine. if you get one then first job is change the wire. the original ones are garbage. the rachet and pawl mechanism are made of chocolate and the link plates and pins bend and shear for fun. if they were better made they would be great but they are made out east in prisons (so we got told).
rather than use one of them i have used a 3t pull lift in the past, a damn site safer and less chance of taking your hand off. |
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markymoan
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Most winches aint 5 tonne so why that number?
A 10,000lb winch is 4.5 tonnes and I wouldnt like to be next to it if it let go 
You just aint going to get 11,000lb of pull from a ratchet or a hi-lift, if you want 5 tonnes then its a winch bumper and a 12,000lb winch just to be sure. |
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| Is that one for me Mark,5t ratchet strap i am on about not winch and not to be used as one,just to use to help get out of any slight issues that i could find my self in.To move truck a metre or so,not for recovery out of 2ft of mud,if i was looking at winches then prob a 12,000lb one just to be on the safe side although a 9,000lb would be sufficient.As you said in earlier post handy to pull truck away from trees for example that all |
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| Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 23:13 Post subject: |
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| markymoan wrote: |
Most winches aint 5 tonne so why that number?
A 10,000lb winch is 4.5 tonnes and I wouldnt like to be next to it if it let go
You just aint going to get 11,000lb of pull from a ratchet or a hi-lift, if you want 5 tonnes then its a winch bumper and a 12,000lb winch just to be sure. |
Neither would i ,but again i would not get into a situation on my own that would require a 12,000lb winch(as i dont have one).I would be with others and carry a strop with me to be pulled out in that kind of environment. |
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you would need 2 ratchet straps used as a pair or the first time you release the ratchet to get another grab the car will roll back to where it started. i'v loaded a scissor lift onto a tilt trailer doing this when the wheels were slipping and it really is hard work. you will end up with your arms cramping afterwards and not being able to drive for a while  .
oh and you will only get about 6" of movement before you have to release the ratchet... |
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You would be lucky to get 1/2 tonne pull on a ratchet strap unless you use a crowbar to lever it, like I said, handy tool (very handy) but not good for recovery.
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| i've had 2t pulling uphill onto a trailer with one. i was in agony afterwards, couldn't drive the car and for about 3 hrs afterwards my arms were shaking. they are a cra.p idea for recovery use. |
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| I use them to stop things sliding sideways and hitting stuff, you can pull a 4x4 sideways on slippy stuff and throw stuff down to stop it sliding back, also good for pulling backwards when you cant reverse and just need those few inches |
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| Oh and you can pull a boeing 747 with a ratchet strap, I'm on about actual pull not what you pull. |
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| thats all i need,cheers chaps,so its no good then just a thought i had but obviously a carp one |
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| I use them to stop things sliding sideways and hitting stuff, you can pull a 4x4 sideways on slippy stuff and throw stuff down to stop it sliding back, also good for pulling backwards when you cant reverse and just need those few inches |
For what they cost as said are useful so will get one just in case but not use for recovery ...............for more than a few inches |
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